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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:12 am 
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I'm considering downloading and trying the Kings Quest remakes, but would like to make sure it is completely legal to do so. Can you confirm that AGD Interactive has obtained the rights to remake these games from the copyright holder? If they have not, remaking and distributing a game that someone else has the copyright for would be an illegal act, would it not?

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Yes, it is absolutely legal to do so.  They contacted and made an agreement with Vivendi Universal before they even recreated both games.  And you should download them, they are both very well done games.  King's Quest I is a 1:1 remake, so if you have played that before you will definitely remember it (or most of it).  King's Quest II, while I haven't played the original, from what I have read it adds more depth to the story and also increased the play time in it, so it is more an original game!

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Yes, it is absolutely legal to do so.  They contacted and made an agreement with Vivendi Universal before they even recreated both games.  And you should download them, they are both very well done games.  King's Quest I is a 1:1 remake, so if you have played that before you will definitely remember it (or most of it).  King's Quest II, while I haven't played the original, from what I have read it adds more depth to the story and also increased the play time in it, so it is more an original game!

Actually, we didn't contact them. They contacted us. And that wasn't until after KQ2 was released. Up until then, both games were technically copyright infringement. We have an agreement with Vivendi now though, so yes, it's perfectly legal.


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Really??  I thought I had read (maybe it was a badly written article???) or possibly heard somewhere that AGDI went and contacted Vivendi.  Well, I guess I was wrong in this matter.  Sorry for the misinformation Aladin and sorry Navy, I'll try and look for factual details next time.  All the same though, it is legal to download the games.

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'Tis alright. You won't really find very many factual details. Part of our agreement was that we kept it confidential.


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I've always wondered about that but never hung around long enough to read the FAQs etc.  The KQ2 remake had a much better plot.  I always wondered why Neptune would leave his stuff laying around on the beach.

Copyright issues are such a hairy ball anyway, a friend of mine had a series of puzzle games that he was going to make into a series Dice Jam, Word Jam etc.  But there was already a Word Jam out there so he had to change his games name or fight a silly court battle.  (not going to link because that would be impolite linking one game company from another game crew's website.)

I'm no copyright law expert but I think KQ1 & KQ2 remakes might have been fine for a few reasons:
- Didn't charge for the works
- did not use the copyrighted art or music
- did not slander or depreciate the initial works in any way

That said there is an interesting story about the author of the Maltese Falcon.  He had sold the rights to everything, apparently including the characters to the movie studio when the movie was made.  When he wrote a sequel to the book he was actually sued by the studio for infringing on his own creations.

Side note:  Thank you AGDI for rekindling my love of these old games, great work and I look forward to supporting your for-profit endeavor.


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landimal wrote:
- did not use the copyrighted art or music

Actually, a lot of art was "recycled" when doing KQ1 and KQ2. We didn't take entire backgrounds and reuse them, but pieced parts of backgrounds together to make new ones. It's a practice that has become known as collaging.


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I'm no copyright law expert but I think KQ1 & KQ2 remakes might have been fine for a few reasons:
- Didn't charge for the works
- did not use the copyrighted art or music
- did not slander or depreciate the initial works in any way


We were really just very lucky. We didn't research copyright law sufficiently beforehand and simply based our remakes on assumptions (the general consensus) of what certain clauses and laws we're believed to have meant.

There's a lot more to it than people generally realize; and as recently seen in the case of KQ9 being issued with a Cease and Desist letter, I personally wouldn't recommend new dev teams to work on fan games. It's just not worth the risk.


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Here is one fan who is glad you got lucky.  I know Lucas arts is big on compilations and collections so I always figured the Lucasfan crew had a big chance of getting shut down.

Some battles could probably be won legally but independent devs do not have the time/money/resources/energy to combat the big guys.  In my short stint in the video games industry I saw a ton of issues get to the lawyers-talking-to-laywers stage and then fizzle out (usually over no compete clauses and other contract issues).  

The thing that impressed me about AGDI's work was the serious quality and attention to detail.  I actually found your site while trying to find a fix for a crash bug I kept running into in the orig QG2 and I grabbed both remakes.  My jaw dropped and I had to call my wife in to see this.  She had played KQ2 on an Apple eons ago and she was impressed as well.  

Its one thing to make a fan game, its something else entirely to elevate the genre in your homage.  I applaud your work ethic for this labor of love and eagerly await the QG2 remake.  

I wish the companies that sit on this intellectual property would at least offer compilation CDs so that those that are interested in the history of gaming could appreciate where things came from.  Heck the guy that founded The Learning Company got his start from Rocky's Boots a digital logic training game and his company has never released anything similar in the two and a half decades since then.  

Total side note but I'm looking for a teaching tool for digital logic, I currently use Rocky's Boots under DOSbox (totally legal too, got a box of 12 at a yard sale for a dollar) but I'd like something as engaging but for college kids.


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landimal wrote:
I wish the companies that sit on this intellectual property would at least offer compilation CDs so that those that are interested in the history of gaming could appreciate where things came from.


Vivendi will be releasing compilation collections sometime in January. You can find the collections on Amazon or Walmart.com


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 Post subject: Compilations by Vivendi
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Vivendi will be releasing compilation collections sometime in January. You can find the collections on Amazon or Walmart.com


Actually the date has been moved
King's Quest, Space Quest and Police Quest Compilations by Vivendi Universal Interactive Publishing

Platform:    Windows XP
Price:   $19.99
Availability: This item will be released on March 30, 2006


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