Firefox Compatability

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ejx982 · #1 Post by **ejx982** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:52 am

I found an old poll asking which browser was everyone's favorite, firefox was in the lead by about 63%. I was wondering if anyone else had trouble viewing this site under firefox. It would be nice if someone would touch up the HTML so it would be viewed correctly under firefox.

Thanks,

ejx982

Pidgeot · #2 Post by **Pidgeot** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:05 am

I don't see any problem in Firefox - but granted, I only have v0.9 installed, so it may have been broken in later versions.

anathoth8 · #3 Post by **anathoth8** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:16 am

I'm using the latest version, and I don't see any problems with the forums. Can you explain what the problem is, precisely? That might facilitate any fixes.

ejx982 · #4 Post by **ejx982** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:20 am

No problems at all with the forums... it's with the Journals.

http://www.agdinteractive.com/news-2005.php

When I go here with firefox, all the text is extreme left justified and in a narrow column. In Internet Explorer, it's nice and boxed.

This is with Firefox v1.0.2 and when I ran v1.0.0 it did the same thing.

I'm very glad there was an update saying they are still around (I didn't have any doubt).. but it was nice that they did alot of programming.

ejx982

anathoth8 · #5 Post by **anathoth8** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:24 am

Aah, I see what you're saying. I only started using Firefox recently, so I never noticed.

Radiant · #6 Post by **Radiant** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:34 am

The trouble isn't really with Firefox being incompatible - in fact it follows the IEEE web standards to the letter. The problem is that IE, either intentionally or by oversight, breaks several standards, and some web designers have grown to rely on IE's faulty behavior.

Relight · #7 Post by **Relight** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:44 am

I've been updating some other sites to W3C standards. I was going to get around to the AGDI site eventually. If it's W3C-compatible, will it work better with Firefox? One site I was working on was good with IE, but broke in Netscape after updating it. I haven't used Firefox myself as a browser or to test compatibility.

Radiant · #8 Post by **Radiant** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:18 am

Yes. Firefox is entirely W3C-compliant. It is possible (though slightly tricky) to make pages that work equally well in IE and in Firefox (and other W3C-compliant browsers such as Opera, Lynx, Mozilla and Mosaic).

ejx982 · #9 Post by **ejx982** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:31 pm

If you were able to fix that, that would be awesome. I rarely use IE due to it's lag in loading webpages compared to firefox. In fact, I only use IE for ActiveX websites, such as WindowsUpdate or Online Virus Scanners. I actualy have my homepage set to windowsupdate, becasue i soely use firefox.

Joe

JWar · #10 Post by **JWar** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:54 pm

If you try and make the sight xhtml compliant (http://validator.w3.org/) and build the stylesheet to work well in firefox, there is a css hack that allows you to adjust the style for IE, without resorting to browser checks etc. Let me know if you're planning on doing this, as I'll try and find the details about this. It's not part of my active knowledge.

calethix · #11 Post by **calethix** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:31 am

I thought I'd try to save the page and see if I could figure out what caused the problem (I'm using FF 1.0.2). It seemed to fix whatever the problem was when it saves the page so that wasn't much help.

I did notice something strange though. If I view one of the images on the page (e.g. right click on the title image and choose view image), once I hit the back button, it fixes the formatting.

RealRelight · #12 Post by **RealRelight** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:45 pm

Weird. Yeah, when I get a chance I will be making it strict XHTML 1.0 and CSS compliant.

Music Head · #13 Post by **Music Head** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:46 am

Firefox ignores the % sign, so on the designer page it proberly has

<table width="100%">

so firefox thinks that it's 100 pixels.

I discovered this when on my site Classic Sierra the inline frame only was 100 pixels high.

Radiant · #14 Post by **Radiant** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:19 am

Hm, interesting, I never had any problem with that. Maybe it works better without the quotes or something?

Pidgeot · #15 Post by **Pidgeot** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:57 am

Firefox IGNORES the % sign? Funny how they keep on preaching how it's compliant with [de jure] standards, but they haven't implemented percentages, despite it being in the HTML 4.01 specs:

HTML 4.01 DTD wrote:<!ELEMENT TABLE - -
(CAPTION?, (COL*|COLGROUP*), THEAD?, TFOOT?, TBODY+)>
<!ATTLIST TABLE -- table element --
%attrs; -- %coreattrs, %i18n, %events --
summary %Text; #IMPLIED -- purpose/structure for speech output--
width %Length; #IMPLIED -- table width --
[...]
>

<!ENTITY % Length "CDATA" -- nn for pixels or nn% for percentage length -->

Anyway, removing the quotes shouldn't have any affect. In HTML, non-numerical attribute values must be quoted. It shouldn't hurt to try, though, I think most browsers ignore the quotes anyway.

JWar · #16 Post by **JWar** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:07 pm

Firefox does NOT ignore percentages. Try to avoid inline styles where possible, and ff should behave nicely.

Charles269 · #17 Post by **Charles269** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:17 pm

Something I learned a bit ago, when trying to make webpages work the same in all browsers, definately, hands down specify a doctype.

The reason this works so well, is because if you don't have a DOCTYPE specified, IE renders the page in “quirks” mode, where it imposes it's own best guess of how a page should be laid out. But if you specify an exact DOCTYPE, suddenly Internet Explorer starts to render the page according to the actual W3C specs. I grant you it's not perfect, but it very quickly makes it easier to taylor the problems so it works across the board.

Also, if you're trying to test your website in different browsers, you only really need to worry about IE, and Firefox. Netscape is all but dead. I suppose there's also Opera. It's probably got a slightly smaller share of the market than firefox.

Anyway, just thought I'd share some of the insights I'd learned doing webpages for work.

ejx982 · #18 Post by **ejx982** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:35 pm

So is there any change the Journal Page will be fixed anytime soon to allow proper viewing under FireFox?

ejx982

RealRelight · #19 Post by **RealRelight** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 5:27 pm

I'm not even getting some of the other pressing AGDI stuff I'm working on done, so the website is low on the priority list right now. It'll happen but I can't promise when.

jpnuar1 · #20 Post by **jpnuar1** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:25 am

ejx982 wrote:No problems at all with the forums... it's with the Journals.

http://www.agdinteractive.com/news-2005.php

When I go here with firefox, all the text is extreme left justified and in a narrow column. In Internet Explorer, it's nice and boxed.

This is with Firefox v1.0.2 and when I ran v1.0.0 it did the same thing.

I'm very glad there was an update saying they are still around (I didn't have any doubt).. but it was nice that they did alot of programming.

ejx982

I use mozila, and I get errors like that rather frequently. It usually isn't enough of a problem to interfere with what I'm doing, and even when it is, I have found that going back a page, then going back forwards (through the browser buttons, not actual links on the site) seems to fix the problems whenever it happens to me...

JWar · #21 Post by **JWar** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:30 pm

Relight, could you check your PM on RealRelight ?

RealRelight · #22 Post by **RealRelight** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:44 pm

When I go here with firefox, all the text is extreme left justified and in a narrow column. In Internet Explorer, it's nice and boxed.

This is with Firefox v1.0.2 and when I ran v1.0.0 it did the same thing.

I have Firefox v1.0.2 at work. I see no problems.

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