The Father

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Velocity · #1 Post by **Velocity** » Sun May 04, 2003 3:41 am

Now, Just who is 'The Father' anyway? Is he supposed to be the 1st king's brother or something? I would like to know. sorry, I would like to delete this group, so could u delete it for me? <hr /> <img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash. ...  Heir to the Flash John Fox, Flash of the 865th CenturyEdited by: <A HREF=http://pub57.ezboard.com/broyalquestfor ... toflash</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash.gif" BORDER=0> at: 5/3/03 10:42:50 pm

#2 Post by **Erpy** » Sun May 04, 2003 3:43 am

You guessed it. The person mentioned in the 3th library book (Legends), Morgeilen (anagram of Leginemor), is The Father. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashn ...

Velocity · #3 Post by **Velocity** » Sun May 04, 2003 4:07 am

THANX <hr /> <img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash. ...  Heir to the Flash John Fox, Flash of the 865th Century

Allronix1 · #4 Post by **Allronix1** » Sat May 24, 2003 10:07 pm

OK, let's see... The Father is the First King's brother, likely angry that the King had chosen to pass the crown to the First Knight, and not to him. So, he starts scheming. Being a mage inclined towards the dark arts, he either sparks, or takes advantage of, the Great War. The King, to stop the war, does a "Final Summoning" (to borrow from FFX), and dies, but his power goes into the sword. Well, having been cast out, the king's brother becomes "Father" to a secret society of dark mages, power-mongers, and other types that even Slytherin house would be wary of. He promises the loyal their own feifdoms to rule, while he plans on running the whole show from Daventry. It takes him a while to do this, and he lies low (being an undead mage will do that, I'm guessing). Anyway, he schemes into the Daventry court, just in time for King Edward to die and the crown to pass to the First Knight. Observing Graham for a time, he notices that Graham has no wife, much less heirs, and that Graham has a weakness - he's a very adventurous fellow. Dangle the prospect of a lovely bride in front of him, and encourage him to go off questing, and leave that throne wide open...Even better, the lovely woman is in the clutches of a trusted "sister" of the Society. Well, Graham proves himself a man blessed with resourcefulness and a generous portion of luck. the Father reverses a lot of that luck with a curse, but the thing about curses...they hurt caster as much as the one it's cast on, and they never quite work as expected. So, the curse kicks in. "Brother" Mannanan is successful in his kidnapping of Prince Alexander, and to keep his father from searching for him, let's let that dragon loose! Even better, have it ask for the only heir left! That's where we get the second sequence (and I was yelling at my computer during this, BTW. "Graham, don't! Alex is on his way!") I kinda wondered, BTW, if Mannanan had ulterior plans for "Gwydion" past mere enslavement. Use him as a pawn to get the Daventry throne for the Society, perhaps? So, Rose and Alex come back, second part of the curse kicks in. Fortunately Rosella proves she takes after her old man! Grab the magic fruit, do three impossible tasks before sunrise, save one fairy, dispatch another, and meet a cute fairy prince in the bargain! (more later)

Allronix1 · #5 Post by **Allronix1** » Sun May 25, 2003 11:03 am

The Father would be furious at this point, I'm betting. "Brother" Mordak made a great showing, but his judgement was a little bad and his timing was off. Next time, make sure the ENTIRE family is in the castle and murder your rival's annoying little familiar first! Alexander threw a monkey wrench in another Society plan in the Green Isles, but his choice to lead the Green Isles made that curse of The Father's come partially true. Again, that's the downside of a curse - it almost never comes true the way the caster plans it. Alex will not rule Daventry, but he will make sure the Society doesn't show its face in the Green Isles for some time! Again, I can't quite tell if Malicia or Lolotte were in on the Society, though their methods and motives are pretty classic Black Cloak - long-term schemes involving magic, kidnapping, hostile takeovers that involve a lot of property damage and/or murder...you get the idea. (Again, I suspect the kidnappings of Alexander, Edgar, and Cassima were more to gain valuable pawns than to gain servants, surrogate sons, or a bride). Anyway, the one question I'm not able to puzzle out is this "Ascension." Caldur mentioned that the world had "thirty years or so." As of KQ7, about 21-25 of those have passed. Were the events in MOE supposed to be this "Ascension?" If things had gone to plan, the plans would have gone into effect - Mannanan in Llewdor, Lolotte in Tamir, Malicia in Eldrich (Etheria destroyed), Mordak in Serenia, Hagatha in Kolyma, and Alhazred ruling the Green Isles. The Father by then would have found and tapped the legendary power in Daventry and brought about what sounded like the end of the Multiverse. And the Father is still looming in the background, hiding in plain sight and acting through the (in comparison) petty schemes of the Society. Someday...he hopes...Graham and his family will surrender their guard, and he'll move in for the kill.

adeyke · #6 Post by **adeyke** » Sun May 25, 2003 6:31 pm

I'm pretty sure it's revealed in the game that Alhazred wanted to murder Cassima after the wedding. By marrying her, he'd become King of the Green Isles and by disposing of her, he'd become the sole ruler. So I'd say that move was definitely power-motivated <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"> . Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub57.ezboard.com/broyalquestfor ... >adeyke</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~deykea/tinyicon3.gif" BORDER=0> at: 5/25/03 1:34:12 pm

The Knight · #7 Post by **The Knight** » Mon May 26, 2003 3:54 am

And The Father did say in the second test that Graham wiuld one day seek him out. I assume that might be thier final confratation against The Father. And Graham would defeat The Father once and for all. That's my theory anyway. The Knight <img src="http://www.shadowwebs.co.uk/images/drac ... knight.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

charchar · #8 Post by **charchar** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:56 am

well thats your side of the story! now here's mine!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D"> what if there's two possible reason's why he's called the father, maybe he had a son...so i pitched in a idea saying in KQ10 that the son's BCS nick-name "The Son of Destruction!" and that he would redeam his vengence that his father had against graham and now it's a matter of time until the king puts his adventureing hat with the red feather in it!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /happy.gif ALT=":D">

optic · #9 Post by **optic** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 6:31 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>sorry, I would like to delete this group, so could u delete it for me?<hr></blockquote> No need to. Is there any particular reason that you want it deleted? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <div style="text-align:center"><img src="http://www.southwest.com.au/~jackie/signature.jpg" style="border:0;"/></div>

Vildern · #10 Post by **Vildern** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 1:20 pm

He's called the father cause he's a priest. A priest that turned to the bloody dark-side. And then he went to space and became known as Darth Veidar (sp!). <img src="http://www.navynuke.net/ezboard/vilsig.gif" style="border:0;"/>

charchar · #11 Post by **charchar** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:36 am

well than i'm related to the fater on the count that my sister is also my father!

bbertram · #12 Post by **bbertram** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:14 pm

Very interesting, was the father or his society active in King's Quest 5 or 6? I don't remember those games to much anymore. I have Kings Quest 5 in the mail, I still need to find Kings Quest 6 on ebay. I wish I kept all my old games.

#13 Post by **Erpy** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:22 pm

The black cloak society is somewhat mentioned in KQ6. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashm ...

king7 · #14 Post by **king7** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:16 am

I think, from reading the different posts, the Father is Gervain, Graham's loyal-a little too loyal- Minister. In the post, P mentioned that the father got his way into the Royal Court, and made the trap that would encourage Graham to go adventuring to find Valanice...Being while Graham was gone, Gervain (even if not the Father, perhaps a ''messenger boy'', a lower member of the Society sent to go through the motions, make sure Graham was out of Daventry and on the quest) would be in control in Grahams place until Graham came back. The Father, presuming trough the curse that Graham would suffer disfourtune during his quest and get killed, would then plan to move in, or (if he is Gervain) at least make his place as Leader secure. Then, being with Graham dead, no heirs, the other lower members would slowly take control over their fiefdoms (Serenia, Green Isles, Tamir, Llewdor etc) with no one to throw in a vital monkey wrench. Perhaps Lucreto is the father, and in an act of desperation, with all his follow-lower members dead or inprisoned, took it upon himself to gain total control in a quick, simple effectual way, by getting in, unnoticed, unsuspected, and break the Mask of Eternity, throwing the world into chaos. Graham, while your average-knowledged adventurer, and no knowledge of any such Coup De tats going on, would be clueless as to the perpetrator, (and he'd be stoned [no pun intended])

Wolfgang Abenteuer · #15 Post by **Wolfgang Abenteuer** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:32 am

Actually, all of that is explained in the game itself...who the Father is (sort of), why he wants Graham killed, why he can't do it himself, etc. You did pay attention during the Cloud Spirit's test, did you not? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"> ~Wolfgang

BigCow · #16 Post by **BigCow** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:13 am

So basically, the father is an invention of the king's quest 2 remake? Ok, Mananan and Mordack were actual brothers. And the father is searching out some ancient artifact, he needs to get it in Daventry from the grave of the first king I guess, promised to confront graham. Assuming it isn't the mask of eternity, are the authors setting something up for a post KQ8 sequel or something?

#17 Post by **Erpy** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:39 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>So basically, the father is an invention of the king's quest 2 remake?<hr></blockquote> Yes, he is. But "The Father" is only a title, mind you. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Ok, Mananan and Mordack were actual brothers. <hr></blockquote> Yes, but KQ5 already mentioned that. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>And the father is searching out some ancient artifact, he needs to get it in Daventry from the grave of the first king I guess, promised to confront graham. Assuming it isn't the mask of eternity, are the authors setting something up for a post KQ8 sequel or something? <hr></blockquote> It's unlikely it will ever become a game, but Wookie may decide to publish the end of the story someday. I can't relate too much about it, but he needs the crown to locate the item. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashn ...

Laros · #18 Post by **Laros** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 9:41 pm

so where does shadrack fit into the story? is he just another wizard that's part of the society? or is he more important?

#19 Post by **Erpy** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 10:18 pm

Shadrack has no special place in the KQ2-timeline as far as I know. He's a member, like Mordack, Hagatha and Caldaur. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nasht ...

Shifty · #20 Post by **Shifty** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:46 pm

The whole theory about graham finally confronting the father in a new KQ would make an excellent game, save for one final flaw: Graham would be old, brittle, and decrepit by that time. As seen in the final cloud spirit test, Graham makes Connor of Daventry (Hero of KQ<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... lasses.gif ALT="8)"> First knight. For the less observant, he was an old man, grayed hair and all. If there WERE to be a finale to the Black Cloak society, it would probably go in a few ways: -Graham, upon his deathbed, gives his final wish to connor that he must defeat "The Father" and end their constant onslaught on Daventry. -"The Father" finally gets ahold of the crown, and Connor, being the righteous knight and ass-kicker he is, goes off on another quest to retrieve it. No doubt, either scenario would involve going between the multiple lands ventured into by past KQ games, since the black cloak society is everywhere. As for Lucreto, I doubt he would be a part of the black cloak society, since he already has almost unlimited power and his own underlings. (A power struggle between villains, perhaps?) I'm just speculating, so if you have any words to shoot mine down with, speak them, please!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

#21 Post by **Erpy** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 2:13 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The whole theory about graham finally confronting the father in a new KQ would make an excellent game, save for one final flaw: Graham would be old, brittle, and decrepit by that time.<hr></blockquote> That would involve the assumption that Graham would confront and defeat The Father with force. But Graham didn't rely on force to defeat Hagatha and Mordack either. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashm ...

Vildern · #22 Post by **Vildern** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The whole theory about graham finally confronting the father in a new KQ would make an excellent game, save for one final flaw: Graham would be old, brittle, and decrepit by that time.<hr></blockquote> Not necessary. 'The Quest for the father' doesn't have to be KQX, it could also be KQ6.5, When Graham still has some power. If that is to be, it implies that Lucarto and Malicia are not part of the Black Cloak society, if assuming that the Society will cease to exist, with the father's downfall. <img src="http://www.navynuke.net/ezboard/vilsig.gif" style="border:0;"/>

Graham the King · #23 Post by **Graham the King** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:09 am

Isn't KQ9 going to have something to do with the Black Cloak Society? I hope they've played KQ2VGA!! Anyhow, my own theories, formed mainly off of what we now know as true from reading the whole thread: Legenimor starts his own kingdom, and is reigning over it as an immortal. Meanwhile, his brother goes off and starts his own kingdom, obviously an evil one. The two have had a rivalry their entire lives. Legenimor, finally, cast a spell to bind most of his brother's power into some kind of Item, or possibly several items that can be combined into one. Knowing that his brother would seek out the Item, he made it possible for the good guys to find it first, by magically placing some kind of a map to the Item inside the crown. Afraid that his brother would steal the crown, he made it only visible to people who had the crown given to them. Unfortunately, the magic to do all of this killed him. The crown passed on many times, eventually passing to King Edward the Benevolent. By this time, Legenimor's brother who had dubbed himself "The Father" merely to hide his identity, had formed the Black Cloak Society to do his dirty work. His first attempt at snatching the Item was to make Edward's wife fall ill. Then, after the King's wife had died, he sent Dahlia, a witch from Daventry who was a member of his society, to steal the only treasure which the Father thought might lead him to the Item that was still accessible, the Chest. She stole it, and flew away. After she brought it to the Father, he found out that was not what he needed, and allowed her to keep it. She went to the Cloudland and left it there, assuming that no one would find it, and continued living in her Daventry gingerbread house. The giant found it, and we all know what happened then, but that's not important anyways. Graham shoves Dahlia into her pot and the Father realizes that it's a possibility this guy might be some trouble. But too late, for Graham gets crowned King before the Father can manage a next maneuver. Fortunately for the Father, a new King means a new Minister of Defense, so he took on the guise of Germain himself to deal with the king. He, using magic to see who the King's true love is, is delighted to find it is an enemy of Hagatha's. He dangles that in front of Graham, until the king takes the bait. Thus, KQ2 happens. During KQ2, the Father is searching for the Item, but without Graham there to give him the crown, he could not find it. He didn't realize that, should Graham have been killed, he wouldn't even need more time to find the Item since the Crown would have been given to him. As for what happens to Hagatha, the Father pulled a Katrina-Ad Avis, and teleported her back to wherever "home base" is for the Black Cloak Society, and forbade her to leave. Ever. Caldaur manages to escape the Father's wrath by putting a powerful protection spell in place with the help of all the mages in the region. <to be continued> No, but really, Graham IS my real name!

#24 Post by **Erpy** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:22 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Isn't KQ9 going to have something to do with the Black Cloak Society? I hope they've played KQ2VGA!!<hr></blockquote> They have, but a large portion of the plot was already written before KQ2VGA came out, so the stories won't be related. <img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashn ...

Graham the King · #25 Post by **Graham the King** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 4:25 am

Between KQ2 and KQ3, Mananan ensures the Father's curse is set in motion by kidnapping Alexander. As a reward for his good work, the Father gives him a reward, he gets to keep Alexander as his slave, provided he keeps him safely away from his true life. Mananan does his best, but is frequently called away to meetings. Eventually, when he returns from a journey, Gwydion turns him into a cat and makes a get away, only to find out from the Oracle in Llewdor that a dragon was set upon Daventry. Although the Oracle doesn't say it, the dragon is a pet of the Black Cloak Society's. As Gwydion arrives at Daventry, the Father and Graham meet again, but by this time the Father realizes how to find out exactly where the Item is. Gwydion, soon to be Alexander (again) rescues Rosella and saves Daventry. Unable to punish Mananan much more than being a cat, the Father gives him to his brother Mordack. Meanwhile, in Tamir, Lolotte, another member of the Society, had long ago kidnapped Edgar, her nephew. She steals Genesta's amulet. The Father casts a spell on King Graham's heart, to further the currently failing curse. But, Rosella screws up everything. In KQ5, Graham defeats Mordack, traps Mananan in a bag, and the Father is even angrier with him. In KQ6, Alexander defeats Abdul alHazred and gets control of Shamir Shamazzle, the Abdul's only means of magic. Rosella defeats Malicia, another member of the Society, in KQ7. In KQ8, the Father is trying to come up with a new way of finding the Item, except Daventry is turned to stone and no one can get in. I predict that Graham does eventually seek out the Father, but not to aid him. The big benefit of KQ8 was that we see that there are threats out there not relating to the Black Cloak Society. I'm thinking another one of these threats is discovered, and Graham needs the Father's help to defeat it. The Father, thinking allying himself with Graham may help him get the Crown or the Item, plus, defeating this other enemy would be a good thing for him too. The Ascension, I think, is what the Father is calling when he gets the full extent of his powers back and is able to get his revenge on the world. Right now, the only known members of his Society, though, are Shadrack and Hagatha (who will probably never ever be allowed to do anything again). No, but really, Graham IS my real name!

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About Cassima...

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KQ 5 and 6, that father?

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Beyond KQ8

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Theories continued