"waked" in Valanice's song??

[MaXxX]

Am I unaware of a weird language form, or has the past-participle of "wake" always been "woken"..? <p></p><i></i>

[Erpy]

Waked can be spoken in one syllable. Woken always contains two. It was done in order to maintain the flow.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashn ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[MaXxX]

But, come on, that's an error, plain as day... would you have Val say "putted" if you needed "put" in a past form to have two syllables..?<br><br>She sings -<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>When I saw you<br>I knew it was true<br>There's a love between us<br>that won't be torn in two<br>once waked from sleep<br>I'll smile and speak<br>we'll open a door<br>forever more</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>If I were to take part in composing/arranging this piece, I'd add another note before the one that has "once" sung to it, seeing as there's a long pause after "torn in two" anyway. It'd turn from "once waked from sleep" at G-G-A-A# into "once woken from sleep" at F-G-G-A-A# with the F placed at the end of a preceding measure, and all'd be well.<br><br>You speak of order and flow, however, but the song contains yet another inconsistence. The displayed lyrics go "There's a love between us that won't be torn in two" but it's sung at D D# F G-F F ("there's a love between us") D D# F F A ("won't be torn in two") whereas "that" is not sung at all, not even piggybacked to another syllable.<br><br>Saying that it should end with "<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> door", seeing as there's only one door holding Val in the tower - only one door that matters, that is, as the silly wooden-barred one is hardly a problem - they don't have much of a choice in doors to open - would probably be plain impertinence of me, so I won't mention it :P ... oops? my word, I <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">do</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> type faster than I think... Oh well. Not a good sign for my thinking, is it. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Erpy]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You speak of order and flow, however, but the song contains yet another inconsistence. The displayed lyrics go "There's a love between us that won't be torn in two" but it's sung at D D# F G-F F ("there's a love between us&quot<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> D D# F F A ("won't be torn in two&quot<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> whereas "that" is not sung at all, not even piggybacked to another syllable.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Which is exactly why it isn't sung and why woken wouldn't be sung either. Our writer tends to be somewhat compulsive regarding the metrum.<br><br>As for "the door", I really wonder if it was supposed to be taken literally. My guess is that it isn't.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashs ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Pidgeot]

When it comes to songs, it is allowed to "bend" language rules, as long as it's done with moderataion. <p>Pidgeot<br>-----<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Every error you find is the last one.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[MaXxX]

"Waked" you need in one syllable? What about "roused" or "stirred"? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>And if the "that" isn't supposed to be sung, why is it in the lyrics? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Eek, I sense I'm venturing too far into "bitching" territory. Not my intent, for sure! I just hope your more-strict-on-metrum-than-on-language songwriter doesn't have to bend the language in that severe a manner in your QfG2 project, which I just cannot wait for! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Erpy]

Well, seeing that there's no song in QFG2, that won't be likely.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashg ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Vildern]

In many poems I've noticed mistakes, made deliberately by the poet, in order to maintain the 'flow', as Erpy put it, or: , generally speaking, the rhyming. Rhyming is most important in poems. It's a known technique <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.navynuke.net/ezboard/vilsig.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub57.ezboard.com/broyalquestfor ... Vildern</A> at: 11/9/03 9:14 pm<br></i>

[Tom Lewandowski]

Hmmm...I wonder if some of those Rappers realize how poor the grammar is in some of their ... raps ... and if they receive rebuttle over the proper use of a given word.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Cadbury Wookie]

Thank you, all.<br><br>'Preciate the support. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[MuzlakOofmay]

What happened to your post count, Tom? <p>---------<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.nancycarterdesign.com/bryce/sign.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>"I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.K."<br>----------<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nancycarterdesign.com/spongefactory/" target="top">Sponge Factory</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>

[Erpy]

He switched from a local to a global account and I transferred his title and forum access rights over to his new account, but I can't transfer his post count.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashs ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[halfman]

wake1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wk)<br>v. woke, (wk) or waked (wkt) waked, or wok·en (wkn) wak·ing, wakes<br>v. intr.<br><br> 1.<br> 1. To cease to sleep; become awake: overslept and woke late.<br> 2. To stay awake: Bears wake for spring, summer, and fall and hibernate for the winter.<br> 3. To be brought into a state of awareness or alertness: suddenly woke to the danger we were in.<br> 2. To keep watch or guard, especially over a corpse.<br><br><br>It's a real word. <p></p><i></i>

[MaXxX]

Thanks a lot, that seems to clear it up <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I withdraw. :] <p></p><i></i>

[Fender178]

I have never noticed that in the game it slelf but it dont really matter though. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub57.ezboard.com/broyalquestfor ... nder178</A> at: 11/15/03 11:33 pm<br></i>

[mjartisian]

How could anyone possibly complain about such a beautiful song?<br><br>Haven't you ever heard of 'poetic license'? <p></p><i></i>

[Tom Lewandowski]

Yeah! And besides, you forget that the Wookie drinks (but only to excess, and in crowds of one or more) and sometimes gets things a little up-mixed.<br> <p></p><i></i>