About that frelled up plot...(spoilers)...

[Lord Sloth]

<ENTER LORD SLOTH><br>Yo, sup fools. I figured this Forum needed a topic where everyone could ask their questions concerning the plot; as opposed to scattering them around amid the hint requests, where they wont be seen and probably asked again many times. I'm trusting that no one as already done a topic like this, but if they have, I don't mean to be hypocritical.<br><br>Anyhoo, as for my question(s):<br>1. That ghoul of a boatman who thinks he's so cool and imposing just because he feels less then Samhain, lord of the dead; wat up wit em? He says something to the extent that he knows Graham is planning to raid and kill his master and doesn't care so long as he gets his fee. He even gives Graham some advise about what to look out for, so you would think that any loyalty he may have had for his mater has dried up with his flesh. So why does he promptly kill Graham's imposter when he sees his falsehood? Does he have some hatred left over for the Brotherhood in particular (since his mom used to force him to go to church everyday, in a humiliating hat), or does he just dislike people trying to make a monkey out of him? I like his character from the start so I'd also like to understand it better.<br><br>2. Is the king's Crown and the "Item" the same thing, or is that meant to be vague?<br><br>3. Did Hagatha die or not? I know you won't answer this Cadbury, but then, perhaps your drunk just enough right now to let it slip. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Mr. Wookie is the only person who can really answer these for sure, but since he probably doesn't want his ideas ravaged by his fans, who only want him for his mind, I suppose anyone else is free to offer their speculations about answers (as if I could stop them)<br><EXIT LORD SLOTH> <p></p><i></i>

[Cadbury Wookie]

The boatman allows Graham access to the island because he knows Graham is mortal and not really a match for Caldaur. This turns out to be 'dead' true. (BA-DA-BOOM!)<br>The imposter, on the other hand, IS a match for Caldaur and poses a real threat to the Count. One must also take into account the long-standing fued between the Count's family and the Brotherhood. The Boatman's in on that one, too.<br><br>As for the crown... <sigh>... you have no idea how much I've debated this with myself. It is NOT the Item. As implied in the second test, the crown is to be used in some fashion to locate the Item. Kinda like a compass or beacon activator or something.<br>It's funny. Only last night I figured out how to have Graham - a cruddy, crusty old man in a post MOE KQ world, have his swansong adventure and still manage without a(nother) heart attack.<br><br>Hagatha isn't dead. (I only had ONE wine tonight, OKAY!?!?!) <p></p><i></i>

[GabrielKnight52]

(<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>frell</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->? Has farscape really permated our culture to that extent?)<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Okay</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, I'll bite, how does Graham (a A.C.C.O.M) have his swansong adventure and still manage not to have another heart attack???<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 0] --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /alien.gif ALT="0]"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>

[Cadbury Wookie]

He proceeds through his adventure <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>very carefully.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... /smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Lord Sloth]

<ENTER LORD SLOTH><br><br> "(frell? Has farscape really permated our culture to that extent?)" -GabrielKnight52<br><br>Frell Yeah! It's a great way to emphasize things, even though no one knows what I'm talking about. If it catches on and becomes as inappropriate as the original, then we think of a new word. Besides, Farscape is cool, man.<br><br>"Hagatha isn't dead. (I only had ONE wine tonight, OKAY!?!?!)" -Cadbury Wookie<br><br>Thanks Cadbury, you were more forthcoming then I had hoped. Although I was only asking if Hagatha dyes her hair or not. J.K. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :p --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... tongue.gif ALT=":p"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>1. Re "the boat ghoul"<br>That's all well and good I suppose, but dose he still care about his master? If he dose, why dose he leave his boat abandoned during the day, while Caldaur is vulnerable? And where dose he go for that matter, into the poisoned water?<br><br>2. Re "Crown Beacon"<br>So, since Hagatha said that the Father was making his search (for the item I assume since it would be easy to locate the crown, casually thrown under the throne as it was) during Graham's absence, was he using the crown to conduct his search? If so, how could he use it without it being given to him? If not, how could he search for the item without it??<br><br>3. The Ancients that the Manual talks about, of whom the door of destiny is one; are these the same people as the "Ancient Ones" who used to inhabit the Sacred Mountain (described in the Green Isles Guidebook)? There seem to be a lot of similarities between the two, though from what I read I got the impression that your Ancients were more ethereal, and wouldn't have a complex culture where they burry their dead in catacombs and have a complex Alphabet with multiple meanings, but I could be wrong.<br>If I didn't know better, I might say that they seemed more akin to those weird guys in KQ:MOE with the big red hoods, the guys who kept going on about Destiny, letting despair taint your destiny, and kindling the spark of hope. I'm not sure if they were called Ancients or not, but they certainly looked ancient. They seem to be a have a lot more in common with KQ:RTS's Ancients and when I first read your manual, I immediately thought of them (being one of the better parts of MOE (which I still need to complete (I've never taken so long on a KQ game before))). So, are the Ancients and MOE's destiny dudes they same deal?<br><br>all for now.<br>Thank you.<br><EXIT LORD SLOTH> <p></p><i></i>

[Lord Sloth]

<ENTER LORD SLOTH><br><br>Sorry bout resurrecting this up from the second page, but I'm still hoping for an answer form either the writer, or anyone else who thinks they are KQ experts. Plus I still hope this thread will remain in use for some time as the plot questions thread; though I'm sure there is great satisfaction involved in creating your own for each new question each person has.<br>Right. Ciao<br><br><EXIT LORD SLOTH> <p></p><i></i>

[Cadbury Wookie]

Yeah, sorry... been out of the loop-de-loop for a while. I take a short break and when I get back, the speech pack is released - and I'm waaaay behind with some Tierra-related work!<br><br>Anyway, the Ancients are a work-in-progress. What frustrated me about the KQ series is a lack of definitive scope, or at least background. Yes, I know it's a fairy tale world, so it doesn't NEED either. KQ6, on the other hand, promised (in small references) that there was something larger and more sinister going on behind the scenes. Subsequent games did not embellish on this most interesting subplot. So naturally, I embraced it.<br>The Ancients connect to this sinister background in a <br>distant, yet still direct way.<br><br>Perhaps we'll have the opportunity to find out more about them one day. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[navynuke04]

ooh! sound's like the Wookie has something up his sleeve! I can't wait to find out what!! <p><!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br>"Without the fleet, the contest would be on our home grounds, and war is one contest in which it is best to be on the visiting team." -ADM Nimitz<!--EZCODE BR START--><br /><!--EZCODE BR END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://navynuke.netfirms.com/ezboard/sub.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>

[Velocity]

Now, one question.<br><br>Are Mannannan and Mordak brothers, and maybe even The Father's sons?<br>They seem to be the two basic Black Cloak members, and the most powerful, so I was wondering if they were in any way related to the Immortal Father. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash. ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Heir to the Flash<br>John Fox, Flash of the 865th Century</p><i></i>

[Erpy]

Nah...I don't think they're related. "The Father" is a symbolic name. A title to show that he's the patriarch of the group.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashh ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[adeyke]

Though they're not related to the Father, they <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>are</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> related to each other (and this was also asked). The fact that they're brothers is revealed in KQ5. <p></p><i></i>

[Velocity]

I haven't played KQ5 in a while. My computer no longer runs the KQ collection series, so I kind of forgot what happened in that game.<br><br><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://falconx.0catch.com/JohnFoxFlash. ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Heir to the Flash<br>John Fox, Flash of the 865th Century</p><i></i>

[adeyke]

The story (SPOILER):<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>The story behind KQ5 is that Mordack is upset at the royal family because Alexander turned his brother into a cat in KQ3. So he magically steals the castle and tries to make Alexander say how to turn him back to human shape. Graham has to get to Mordack's castle and defeat him to save his family. <p></p><i></i>

[Velocity]

Thank you for the Refresher, alex <p></p><i></i>

[Troller420]

Was it The Father that caused Graham's heart attack in KQ4? I remember someone on this forum saying that they thought Genesta caused it so she could get Rosella to come to Tamir to save her, and get the fruit to heal her.<br><br>And another question: do we ever get to defeat The Father in a later game, or even have another encounter with him? It's implied as such in the second cloud test, so is that a hint of what's going to be in upcoming games? <p>"Lose yourself in the music, the moment<br>You own it, you better never let it go<br>You only get one shot; do not miss your chance to blow<br>This opportunity comes once in a lifetime"</p><i></i>

[Erpy]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Was it The Father that caused Graham's heart attack in KQ4? I remember someone on this forum saying that they thought Genesta caused it so she could get Rosella to come to Tamir to save her, and get the fruit to heal her.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't think Roberta's characters had that kind of hidden agenda's.<br><br>According to KQ2VGA's vision, it was The Father who caused Graham's heart attack. It's part of his curse.<br><br>As for continuation; Wookie may one day decide to write a conclusion to his Father-story. Whether this story will take the form of a game or a fanfic, nobody can tell.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashl ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Pidgeot]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Though they're not related to the Father, they <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>are</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> related to each other (and this was also asked). <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Also, they have another sibling. I believe it's Hagatha, but I'm not sure. I'll check up on it. <p>Pidgeot<br>-----<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Every error you find is the last one.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[Erpy]

Yep. Hagatha is M & M's sister.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://httpd.chello.nl/c.vanempel/Nashs ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Pidgeot]

Thanks for confirming, Erpy, though I had just double-checked myself in the King's Questions Mini-game on the KQ 1-6 CDs. <p>Pidgeot<br>-----<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Every error you find is the last one.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>