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#26 Post by Vipt » Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:42 pm

1. I have ridden in your cart, driver,
waved my nude arms at villages going by,
learning the last bright routes, survivor
where your flames still bite my thigh
and my ribs crack where your wheels wind.
A woman like that is not ashamed to die.
I have been her kind.

2. Of Man's First Disobedience and the Fruit
Of that Forbidden Tree whose mortal taste
Brought Death into the World and all our woe,
With loss of Eden, till one greater man
Restore us, and regain the blissful Seat


The first is from a short poem called "Her Kind", by the so-called confessional American poetess Anne Sexton. (I actually had to go googling to find that one! :p )

The second, like you said, was a sinch. It's the first stanza of the epic religious poem Paradise Lost, which comes before Paradise Regained, both by the 17th century English poet and essayist John Milton.


[edit:] And another thing (just to annoy everyone), Daffi's signature quote is from the General Prologue of Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, and in the original Middle English. I've actually read the whole thing (in Middle English no less) just for personal gratification, and I'm not even going to be an English Lit. major or minor! I guess that means I'm a geek... :|

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#27 Post by Daffi » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:47 am

well done, but don't underestimate Sexton, she's a great poet (in some senses, better than her friend Sylvia Plath).
if you're into Chaucer, you might notice which character is described in the GP of the CT (not hard to guess, seeing how this is an adventure game forum, after all). just be happy i didn't take something like "heald phu nu hruse" (Beowulf in the original old english).
And now for a riddle (one of my professors actually asked it in a test): what was the name of Sir Gawain's horse? try answering WITHOUT google (or english notebooks or the norton anthology of english literature)...

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#28 Post by Vipt » Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:09 pm

I didn't mean to sound critical of Sexton. When I said "so-called confessional American poetess Anne Sexton" I did not mean to suggest that she is only a so-called poetess, but rather that she is named among the so-called confessional poets who were her contemporaries, though I don't think she ever described herself as such.

As for the character from the Canterbury Tales described in your signature quotation, doesn't the last line kind of give it away? It's the Knyght of course, unless I've missed something. Either that or the Squire.

And also, I wouldn't mind if you had used "Heald þu nu, hruse...." in your signature, since I know what that means. I've studied a bit of Old English, in class and by myself (now you see that I wasn't kidding about being geeky). I'm not sure where in Beowulf that line is found, but I'm pretty sure it means "Hold thou now, earth....". I'm assuming earth is being addressed in the vocative, but I'd have to see the rest of the sentence to be certain.

The other question I can't answer at all. I've read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, but I don't remember that the horse even had a name. Now I'll have to use Google just to sate my curiosity! ;)

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#29 Post by Daffi » Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:53 pm

regarding sexton -- she wrote a ppoem called "in celebration of my uterus", so i don't think she would have objected the "confessional" title (and it did put her in line with some great poets like robert lowell and theodor rothke).
the quote from beowulf is the first line, the proper place for such a call to earth to hold and listen to this tale (i still think we might be better off if he just drowned in that stupid swimming contest)
and the horse, of course, is called Gringolet (ADGI could use it in one of their next games as a name for one of the horses). prof. jerry mandel of the english department in tel aviv university actually asked for the name in a test once (another time he asked for the name of the guy who competed against beowulf in that swimming contest, which i why i still regret him niot drowning).
while we're at it, what 20th century poet used milton's catalog of demons from paradise lost (book 5 if i'm not mistaken) in a famous poem? if you took any classes in modern english poetry you should know even without google.
and another question (with some personal relation): which poet wrote "the fire stays in red"?

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