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Boogeyman · #26 Post by **Boogeyman** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:53 am

Angelus3K wrote:Well Finding Nemo was really good.. as was Monsters Inc, Toy Story, Ice Age, The Incredibles, Pirates of the Caribbean, Bambi, Lion King etc etc lol I think each Disney Movie is special in its own way!

I'd have to go with... *thinks* probably Robin Hood, I remember watching that in Primary School!

Ice Age was by Dreamworks, not Disney. My favorite part was when Sid set his tail on fire!

MusicallyInspired · #27 Post by **MusicallyInspired** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:27 am

No, it wasn't dreamworks. It was 20th Century Fox. I believe the same people that did Antz (or was THAT dreamworks? Might have been actually) At least that's what it said on the website where I found out who exactly made it...20th distributed it, anyway.

Kurdt · #28 Post by **Kurdt** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:50 am

We saw clips from the Lion King Broadway musical in Theatre History the other day, and MAN! I was completely blown away. The director had extensive knowledge of Asian puppet theatre and used that knowledge to create puppets that the actors/dancers would wear to almost literally BECOME the animals they were portraying. It was stunning. And in the beginning, Rafiki (an actor dressed up like a witch doctor whose face was painted in the idea of an orangutan) belted out that famous chant and it was surreal. Also, the actors playing Mufasa and his wife were made up to look like Egyptian pharohs, and they had gigantic headdresses on that had the picture of a majestic lion on it. It was amazing.

VampD3 · #29 Post by **VampD3** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:42 am

Id love to goto one of those Disney on Ice thingies. It would be so great. Can't wait till Katherine is old enough to goto one lol

Me and Angelus went to see Robots and we were the only adults there that didn't have children lol :)

Broomie · #30 Post by **Broomie** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:35 am

No, it wasn't dreamworks. It was 20th Century Fox. I believe the same people that did Antz (or was THAT dreamworks? Might have been actually) At least that's what it said on the website where I found out who exactly made it...20th distributed it, anyway.

No Antz was made by Dreamworks from the same people who made Shrek.

The Lion King 2 was, in my opinon, the worst of the movies. Simba raised Kiara to be a wimp! And where's Nala?! She has such a small role in the movie! No way NALA would let her daughter be raised to be a wimp!

I know what you mean, I hated the way Simba acted towards Kiara, never letting her out even when she was an adult. I agree they didn't have enough of Nala, the most excitement you got from her was a one second fight scene with Vitani.

Alias · #31 Post by **Alias** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:45 am

Finding Nemo was amazing! I was in the mood for lion king last night so I watched it until 2am. :)

I must say Disney has it all, I can't wait to get bambi thats going to be released on DVD soon.

Broomie · #32 Post by **Broomie** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:58 pm

I thought it.... already was. It comes free with a Fumper Beanbag toy.

Klytos · #33 Post by **Klytos** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:31 pm

I hate to admit it, but my favorite Disney movie was Beauty and the Beast. I thought the dance scene was just so well done. Closely followed by Robin Hood, which absolutly cracked me up as a kid. I haven't seen it in years but I keep looking for it at Blockbuster to hire out.

As for Lion King 2 : That was the best movie of the three. I agree the third was total shit, but I love the scene in the second one where the two prides of lions are fighting and you start to lose track of who is the bad guys and who are the good guys. I love it. The music wasn't up to the standard of the first movie, but geez I love it.

New England Patriots · #34 Post by **New England Patriots** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 3:09 am

Wow Reptile, I'm surprised you dont like some Disney Mortal Kombat Movie but I'd have to agree, Emporers New Groove Is the Bomb man....Llamma....heh

Broomie · #35 Post by **Broomie** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 12:24 pm

I'll have to see that, looked pretty funny in the trailer.

"Waterfall?"
"Uh huh."
"Sharp rocks at the bottom?"
"Yep."
"Bring it on!"

Meerbat · #36 Post by **Meerbat** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:03 pm

I wonder if the Disney "bastardisation", as someone here called it, of famous fairy tales is only typical for cartoons and movies. One may think that the makers of the movies decided to tone down the more brutal elements of the stories, because those would have a (putatively) stronger effect on children when presented in a visual medium, as opposed to when the stories are being read to them.

Is this toning-down also present in the American versions of the original books, maybe? Does anyone remember what happens to the 40 thieves defeated by Ali Baba? Has the book by Wilhelm Busch "Max and Moriz" ever been successful in the USA?

Alias · #37 Post by **Alias** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:43 pm

Bromios wrote:I'll have to see that, looked pretty funny in the trailer.

"Waterfall?"
"Uh huh."
"Sharp rocks at the bottom?"
"Yep."
"Bring it on!"

Yeah, that was funny. You should get it. :lol

Lucifiel · #38 Post by **Lucifiel** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:25 pm

Imho. Disney doesn't even deserve the praise it gets for Lion King. If I'm not wrong, quite a bit of it was referenced from a rather old Japanese animated movie called "Kimba the white lion". Really fantastic how Disney still manages to pull off its' stunts of "copying" from other people's works and getting away with it by taking actions like sueing them into oblivion. :rolleyes

Jafar · #39 Post by **Jafar** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:51 am

I heard that before. I also heard that it wasn't true, that they both borrowed from the same source or something. I don't remember though.

Swift · #40 Post by **Swift** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:57 am

Yuri's right. The Lion King was inspired by "Kimba the White Lion", though I think I recall Disney indicating that it did borrow elements from that anime. The plot itself was borrowed from Hamlet, except they had changed the ending so that it's kid-friendly.

Paladinlover · #41 Post by **Paladinlover** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:28 am

Winnie the Pooh is my favorite Disney character... at the age of 21, he's still the only guy who's capable of making me cry! :lol

Till next time stay cool

Renodox · #42 Post by **Renodox** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:01 pm

Yuri's right. The Lion King was inspired by "Kimba the White Lion", though I think I recall Disney indicating that it did borrow elements from that anime. The plot itself was borrowed from Hamlet, except they had changed the ending so that it's kid-friendly.

This is an old argument and one that has been addressed in medias all over. The original plot was not based on Hamlet. Scar was supposed to be a rogue lion, not Mufasa's brother but it was changed so that he'd seem more evil. If you watch the DVD commentaries yes, the animators did realize the Hamlet connection but attempted to keep it out of that (Out of curiosity... have any of you actually read or seen Hamlet?). Anyway, the "Kimba the White Lion" connection was incredibly fought it in Japan and according to The Encyclopedia of Cartoons and Cartooning the family of the series creator didn't join in the argument that Disney based The Lion King on the series. In fact, a movie of Kimba the White Lion was made just to end the argument.

Swift · #43 Post by **Swift** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:09 pm

Renodox wrote:(Out of curiosity... have any of you actually read or seen Hamlet?).

Yes, and I read from somewhere before about the connection between The Lion King and Hamlet, which was why I thought it to be true. I've not seen the DVD commentaries so I won't know about that.

Kurdt · #44 Post by **Kurdt** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:37 pm

In fact, a movie of Kimba the White Lion was made just to end the argument.

I thought that movie was made in the 60s. I also heard that Disney vehemently denies any attempt at basing The Lion King off of Kimba. I've seen the pictures and I must admit they do look somewhat similar.

However, does it really matter? Many of you have probably read/seen Hamlet, but did you know that the only two plays that were original works of Shakespeare's were 12th Night and The Tempest? Every other play he ever wrote in his entire life (Romeo & Juliet, Hamlet, everything) was based off of myths, stories, legends, and other plays that came before him, and many of his plays were further adapted and completely changed/rewritten after his death and performed in his name. It was only in the 19th century that people went back to using Shakespeare's actual plots and texts in producing Shakespeare works.

Back then it was the norm. Nobody came up with original plots. You were expected to adapt things. That's what the people desired. Despite what "Shakespeare in Love" would have you believe, Shakespeare didn't base R&J off an elicit relationship he had. The story of Romeo & Juliet was around looooong before he was. He just did it really well and that's why it's still around today.

So why do we hold others to such a higher standard? So what if it's based off of an anime from whenever ago. Snow White was based off another source, as was The Sword and the Stone, Pinnochio, Peter Pan, and basically every other Disney film ever made. That doesn't make them cheap by default. In this case, it makes them excellent storytellers if you ask me. That's it, Amen, I'm out!

Paladinlover · #45 Post by **Paladinlover** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:31 am

Basing stuff of older works is OK if you're actually honest about it, but the problem with the Lion King is that Walt Disney really didn't have much in this regard. I used to watch Kimba when I was a kid, and I thought it was really cute, but that was a long time ago and I really forgot just how it was.

When Disney first made up the Lion King, they originally wanted to call Simba Kimba and they wanted him to be a white lion, but they realized that they were going too far and there was no way they could defend themselves in court as a result. So they changed him into your average lion, but they still based a lot of his appearance on Kimba.

http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm

That should answer quite a bit of stuff that I would otherwise say.

Tilll next time stay cool